"Don't Ask, Don't Tell"; Mixed Messages from Our Armed Forces

In the Bloody Closet

By Jill V. Schroeder, published Feb 14, 2007
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It is February, 2007 and the United States is in a "war". A new presidential race is just kicking off! Has anyone heard about the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy lately? Or, has gay marriage become the new homosexual "soap box topic"?

Are gays and lesbians brave and courageous enough people to fight and die for their country? It seems to be acceptable when there is a "war" or conflict, but what about in peacetime? While the military trains people to become killers, they also want to be a moral compass to hide homosexuality for better unit cohesion? If that's not an oxymoron!

Throughout history gays and lesbians have served with honorable distinction in many military conflicts. While there will always be gays and lesbians in the military, the current policy of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" will keep these warriors in the "closet". Reportedly, the first known case of a soldier being discharged for homosexual activity was in February 1778. In the 19th century, the U.S. military discharged members only for homosexual acts, even though the conduct was not officially against regulation until World War I. In World War II, homosexuality was thought of as a mental illness, and in the post-war period homosexuals were thought of as a security risk due to their clandestine lifestyle. Starting in the 1980's, the new proposed policy highlighted the fact that an open homosexual person would have a detrimental impact on unit cohesion (meaning, not everyone could live and work together as a team).

Currently, several allied countries of the United States allow open homosexuals to serve in their military. Studies have indicated that gay and lesbian personnel adapt to military life just as well as their heterosexual counterparts.

According to the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military, there is no evidence that the inclusion of open homosexuals is a cause of decline of performance. To this day, the "unit cohesion" argument remains the principle justification for the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.

"Don't Ask, Don't Tell"; Mixed Messages from Our Armed Forces

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Seems to me is that it all boils down to the fact that we have a volunteer military. If a homosexual person fear living in a "bloody closet" they can simply not join. If we had the draft, you might have a point. D Armenta, having served and witnessed the policy, has pointed out that it works for those who chose it.

Posted on 04/16/2007 at 1:04:00 PM

 
Interesting article that generated some major buzz. Good job. Personally, I think people are people are people and should all be treated the same. Naive maybe, but that is how I live and I'm saddened that others do not.

Posted on 02/17/2007 at 8:02:00 AM

 
Hhahahahahahhahaaaaahhh! I give up! It's like talking to a wall! Careful, Sarah Leach--you're setting yourself up to get jumped on and misconstrued. Reason and logic don't factor into this discussion, which is why I'm outta here.

Posted on 02/16/2007 at 2:02:00 PM

 
The non-straight population is 10% and that is a big number of second-class people in this country.

Posted on 02/16/2007 at 11:02:00 AM

 
And, incidentally: like Daniel, I served with homosexuals at every duty station for 10 years. ( I said that before) We WERE all together and no one GAVE a damn about differences because we didn't TALK about them or otherwise try and foist our personal views on each other. In other words, "Don't ask, don't tell." Clear enough?

Posted on 02/16/2007 at 10:02:00 AM

 
Hold up there, Heather. I said no such thing. You need to reread. What I did say was sexual tension plays havoc with a unit's ability to work together. That means women and men, women and women, men and men. Talking about, displaying, or otherwise bringing up sexual matters in a working unit causes problems. Period. I certainly made NO reference to any overt fears of molestation by rampant gays OR heteros. Sexual matters do NOT belong in the workplace, at least not in the military workplace. Ergo: heteros, homos, bestiality enthusiasts, S/M lovers...keep those details to yourself. What you do in private is not something to talk about at work.

Posted on 02/16/2007 at 10:02:00 AM

 
Who cares what each person thinks, that NBA Player just said he hates gay people and he is free to feel that way!!! You can think how you want, people are quick to judge anyone who doesnt like someone for any reason....maybe because they believe it is wrong...maybe they think its nasty...or maybe they just like to hate others for simple reasons what ever the reason who cares and why is it only ok to fight for what you believe in if its for being gay, black, mexican, arab...why cant people fight against them...oh yeah its a double standard and they are termed bigot or racist if they do that

Posted on 02/16/2007 at 9:02:00 AM

 
(regards how to carry) ...on, and right after I got done trying to spit it from my eyes because I would wish I never saw it... I would make sure I had not walked into a case of sexual abuse... whether it was homo or hetero act in progress. Armenta--great comment...

Posted on 02/16/2007 at 2:02:00 AM

 
Heather James, I don't know a person who was "afraid" of homosexuals while in the service, refer please to D Armenta. There were homosexual people at EVERY duty station I served at. One goomber even shaved his eyebrows. To me the whole thing was and is just silly. Who cares what other people are doing in their rack room? I was an infantry Soldier and unit leader and the US Army never taught me to kill anybody, and I never taught anybody to kill anyone. I was taught and subsequently taught others to remain alive and to never quit. It never had a thing to do with crotches. I never saw homosexual persecution of any kind, nobody wanted to be abusive towards people they would have to count on to do their jobs in the intensity of conflict. If I caught a team leader in a sexual act with a subordinate or some such thing, I would have gone shit face ballistic for the lack of professional posture...but I think many factors would have to play into my decision making process regards how to carry o

Posted on 02/16/2007 at 2:02:00 AM

 
I just read all the comments and no one said anything like that. What are you talking about, Heather?

Posted on 02/15/2007 at 10:02:00 PM

 
-And thank you for reducing all of us who served our country and were proud to do so, to "killers". If you wrote that bit in certain other countries, you's probably be in jail at the very least for doing so. Guess we "killers" have some use, don't we?

Posted on 02/15/2007 at 6:02:00 PM

 
(sorry) whatever they wanted to do in private,just as the heteros did.

Posted on 02/15/2007 at 6:02:00 PM

 
The "don't ask, don't tell" policy is in place for the same reason that "PDAs" (public displays of affection in uniform) are forbidden. The military was established to protect our country in all conflicts, foreign and domestic. Sexual tension, no matter what gender or orientation the source, plays havoc on a unit's ability to work together. As a section leader for many years, I know this through experience. Men and women, straight or gay, can work very well together as long as everyone keeps their hormones at bay. Keeping your sexual preferences to yourself while you're serving is not too much to ask. Your quote, "What consenting adults do inside their bedrooms, should have no bearing as to what happens on the battlefield.." just proved my point. The key phrase here is "inside their bedrooms"--not in a full barracks and not in a tent with 5 other people. There were homosexuals at every one of my duty stations. On their off-time, they went in civilian clothes, off base, to do whatever t

Posted on 02/15/2007 at 6:02:00 PM

 
I read enough of your article to know tht you do not speak of any service I was in, had contact with or had friends in. You should find things to write about which you actually know something about. A drunk driver is a killer. A Soldier is not a killer. You're an incompetent.

Posted on 02/15/2007 at 4:02:00 PM

 
Sorry Charyl missed that and Thank you and your husband for serving. My Father served for 36 years and was in WWII, Korea and Viet Nam. I am a big army brat.

Posted on 02/15/2007 at 3:02:00 PM

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