Reports Circulating Again that Prius is Worse for Environment Than Hummer

Debate Fodder Misses the Big Picture, Makes Good Press

By Dave Maddox, published Mar 14, 2007
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Yesterday, conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh was reveling in the report at a college newspaper, the Central Connecticut State University Recorder, that the Toyota Prius is worse for the environment than the GM Hummer. At first glance, the article appears to have some substance - and a visit to Google shows that, with some acknowledgment to political biases, there seem to be a lot of people, even experts like Consumer Reports, who think aspects of the story make sense.

Even the buyers of the Prius are voting with their feet, according to some sources. There are other options, such as the poor Consumer Reports results on city economy, supposedly hybrids' strong suit, or USA Today's comparison with a Volkswagen Jetta Diesel, where both were supposed to make a 500 mile trip on a tankful, but only the Jetta lived up to its promise. Calculated overall energy costs during the lifetime of a Prius are high even compared with the Hummer according to a number of reports, although a more sensible Scion or Chevy Aveo gives even bigger difference, and similar gas mileage. Since the EPA has adjusted its miles per gallon formula for 2008, the Prius advantage, even on paper, has shrunk to closer to what some owners are reporting. Cars.com, home of NPR's "Click and Clack," reports that it will take between 5 and 18 years, without tax credits, to recover the additional cost of a hybrid, although an article in The Weekly Standard said that if gasoline reaches 6-10 dollars a gallon, the financial picture will look pretty good for them.

Reports Circulating Again that Prius is Worse for Environment Than Hummer

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Takeaways
  • New technologies, especially batteries, may have a high environmental cost
  • Optimism may be a component of performance and efficiency reports, since revised
  • With goals of performance and consumer acceptance, companies are constantly adjusting
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Posted on 06/29/2008 at 3:06:52 AM

 
Sudbury is no longer as polluted, as INCO and the city have planted over 8 million trees there since 1979. The best history online of the Sudbury devastation/reforestation comes from GM Canada (the trees were all cut down in 1871 to help rebuild Chicago after the fire), and it provides telling photos of some of the reclamation from 1979 to present. http://www.gmcanada.com/inm/gmcanada/english/about/MissionGreen/Daily/Sep22.html The acid rain problem David Martin of Greenpeace is talking about in is the situation pre 1972. INCO on regreening and SO2 emissions http://www.inco.com/development/community/profiles/sudbury/default.aspx

Posted on 03/23/2007 at 2:03:00 PM

 
(like, when did Nasa test moon buggies - early 1970's) ought to have given the author a clue. Sudbury was polluted by a century of mining (1870 on). In fact, some of Sudbury's nickel went into making the Statue of Liberty. Currently, the mine is owned by INCO (not Toyota), and produces 100,000 tons of nickel a year, of which Toyota buys 1% (1000 tons). Nickel, by the way, is primarily used to make stainless steel. The Mail on Sunday newspaper, which ran the story the college article is a thin re-write of (visible here http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=417227&in_page_id=1770 ), used a stock photo from 1994 to illustrate the pollution (visible here http://www.photoboy.com/bin/Cklb?vmo=1173985067754 ). There were, of course, no Prius in existence or being manufactured in 1994.

Posted on 03/23/2007 at 2:03:00 PM

 
The original article is an opinion piece for a small college newspaper. The whole article is garbage. 1. Take the "spitting distance" mileage, for example. The new EPA combined mileage put the Chevy Aveo at 26 mpg, the Toyota Prius at 46 mpg. So I guess 20 miles more per gallon is "spitting distance." 2. The "Dust-to-dust" study is from a marketing firm, not a science journal. It arrives at an artificially high cost for the Prius by assigning it an arbitrary lifespan of 100k miles, and a Hummer 300k miles. There's Prius being used as cabs that have 200k on them now: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8839690/ And, insofar as a car lasting, what car do you expect to repair less? A Toyota Prius or a GM Hummer? You can check Consumer Reports for the answer to that one. A good analysis of the flaws in dust-to-dust is available at: http://www.truedelta.com/blog/?p=48 3. The Sudbury info is seriously outdated, and the comment about moon buggies (like, when did Nasa test moon buggie

Posted on 03/23/2007 at 2:03:00 PM

 
Mr. Fix It - I'm not trying to call you out, but how the hell could you drive a train to Japan?

Posted on 03/15/2007 at 3:03:00 PM

 
I am taking the posture that this is not the time to buy a new car. There will be changes...and big ones. The economy will not be able to take the hit that our former reluctance if not absolute denial of alternative fuels has formerly demanded we take. The alternatives are there and they are coming along. I am waiting for them in every manner that I can. The cars will follow the development of the alternatives. Gasoline will soon be only a back-up and little more than a dinosaur at that...

Posted on 03/15/2007 at 8:03:00 AM

 
What a great idea, thanks Mr. Fix it. I am a big rail fan, currently don't even own a car because I don't really need one. I love European railways. Here in Denver, they have started to revive the downtown Union Station area as a transit hub, but I hear that they are going to abort that and rip up the tracks for development. Time to get active!

Posted on 03/14/2007 at 9:03:00 PM

 
If we really cared about our environment, we would put passenger car railway on the fast-track. I know some GM cars that have great room and get 30MPG. But that doesn't solve the issue of environmentally friendly transportation. In Europe you can go from Britian to China and even Japan without getting off the train. Plus while a train is not as fast as a plane, it can run on electricity, either mass ptoduced or generated. So while Rush burns up the air with his ranting to make the rich, richer. If everyone thought about the future in a commuter fasion, We could surge ahead if we only tried.

Posted on 03/14/2007 at 8:03:00 PM

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