Goths, Punks and Cultural Rebels: Our Rebellion is Dead and Hot Topic Killed It

By Goth Diva, published Aug 20, 2007
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I always knew I was a different. Was is because my favorite place to read when I was little was in the dark under the dining room table covered by the tablecloth, or was it because I was reading Brave New World and 1984 at 10 years old? (Ironically enough it was 1984.) Maybe it was because by the time I graduated from private Catholic elementary school in eighth grade I owed more money to the local library for overdue books than I owe now in school loans and the list of the books I had read would have landed me on some government watch list if we had been under the "Patriot" act back then, who knows.

When the other girls in my high school were listening to U2, I was listening to Depeche Mode, Throbbing Gristle, Front 242 and Ministry. I think that's a result of coming from an exceptionally musical and yet very turbulent family. My siblings were gifted musicians who all liked different styles of music ranging from what is now "Classic" rock to 70's pop (that one is all on my sister) and New Wave/ Alternative 80's pop. I'm not sure what mix of factors in my home life contributed to making me odd, but I always knew I was different. And as long as my grades were good, and I didn't get arrested, my parents pretty much let me be. My mom always said that because I am the youngest of many siblings, they were just too tired to care what I did as long as it didn't result in serious trouble. There were limits though... I distinctly remember some very anxious hours while my parents decided whether or not I was allowed to continue living in their house after I dyed my hair blue the first time at 16. Back then, dying your hair 'unnatural' colors was a subversive act.

Goths, Punks and Cultural Rebels: Our Rebellion is Dead and Hot Topic Killed It

Alternative culture is dead.

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I didn't say you attacked me, my comment was generic and was based on ALL the responses I've received to this piece.

Posted on 10/31/2007 at 1:10:00 PM

 
I think it's a big stretch to call an expression of a different viewpoint--especially the ones here--an 'attack.' I suppose my point was that anyone involved in an 'alternative' situation or lifestyle will tend to feel a bit posessive and territorial about it when you find it being inevitably appropriated--but looking at it through a wider lens reveals a historic precedent, so there are no surprises. Bohemia sheds its specific accoutrements all the time--it doesn't cease to exist; it's part of what makes it endure. Just my observations in light of your argument in the essay, not an attack.

Posted on 10/30/2007 at 10:10:00 PM

 
And we'll continue to disagree, which is fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just find it amusing that so many people need to attack anyone with a different viewpoint.

Posted on 10/23/2007 at 10:10:00 AM

 
I think you and I have disagreed on this topic before. The appropriation by the masses of 'alternative' was inevitable, and although it's irritating like anything is at the mall, it doesn't mean anything more than Hot Topic clothes aren't alternative. But where does the appropriation begin? The commercially available hair dye you used to dye your hair blue in 1992 was a direct appropriation from the spray paint we used to use. I remember when the bright hair thing started thinking "here we go," just like you probably thought when hot topic came around with corsets. I guess my point isn't to argue, but just to say that the whole current alternative thing didn't start in the 90's, or even in the early 80's when I was a teen. It's evolved, but it doesn't mean there's nothing alternative now.

Posted on 10/23/2007 at 8:10:00 AM

 
Thanks for the insight that you provided. I learned a lot about something I knew little of :)

Posted on 09/29/2007 at 1:09:00 PM

 
(2) The truth is, every fashionable "movement" dies the same undignified death. Ever since James Dean, youth worldwide imitated the current cool, until it became passe. I had a friend when I was young, go from a spiky haired punk (1983) to an Axl Rose wannabe (1987) to a flannel-shirt wearin' grunge dude (1991), to hell know's what since I last saw him (probably has cornrows and says "shizzle" alot!). Anthrax did a cool song about it in 1993 called "Packaged Rebellion"; the name says it all! AWESOME ANALYSIS, BTW! I just came across yer stuff, and although we are a bit different, I really enjoyed reading your writing. Good nite & God bless!

Posted on 09/25/2007 at 7:09:00 PM

 
(1) The theme of your story reminds me of Julian Temple's documentary on the Sex Pistols and the English Punk movement "The Filth and the Fury". English Punk was just a bunch of London street kids who invented their own fashion and music, and weren't afraid to call out the hypocrisy of society at large. Eventually, when the "hippness" of Punk Culture caught on, every English kid had the "mohican" (as Johnny Rotten called them) and the safety pins through the nose. Eventually, what started as rebellion just got re-absorbed into the "shit-stem"(Rotten's words again).

Posted on 09/25/2007 at 7:09:00 PM

 
;-)

Posted on 09/22/2007 at 9:09:00 AM

 
Chris - that's what I was thinking too! ;)

Posted on 09/20/2007 at 9:09:00 PM

 
loved this article. hey cantankerous mouse-- some of us get a real thrill out of lacing up the leather. or unlacing it. depending. :)

Posted on 09/20/2007 at 5:09:00 PM

 
Hey girl, this is a great article :)

Posted on 09/19/2007 at 7:09:00 PM

 
(bah goddamn box cut off my comment - continued...) - spend 1/2 an hour lacing up complex leather shit before you go out. Throw on some jeans and be comfortable - it's the ideas and the actions that matter, not the clothes.

Posted on 09/19/2007 at 4:09:00 PM

 
Maybe a better caption would be "uniform-based alternative culture is dead" ... and maybe this isn't such a bad thing for y'all. Shake you out of the box you've made for yourselves and all that. All kinds of disparate groups want the same things the goths, punks, etc. do but you got everyone running around having no communication or solidarity because they stick only to people who wear the same clothes/listen to the same music. There's too much this trap of "our rebellion is the ONLY rebellion that matters!" The traditional case of the revolutionaries becoming the thing that they displaced and all that - calling everyone conformists while excluding everyone who doesn't conform to their conventions. There are dudes who keep their hair short and wear t-shirts and hoodies and baseball caps (for the sake of comfort, simplicity and convenience) who hold hell of more radical ideas than many goths/punks do. Capitalism co-opted your uniforms? Well, look at it this way, now you don't have to sp

Posted on 09/19/2007 at 4:09:00 PM

 
Yeah, interesting article. I remember when 'punks' had to make their own clothes. Then, just a few years later, Hot Topic opened and the new 'punks' just bought their clothes there. I also find it very funny when someone considers themself 'punk' and doesn't have the first clue what good punk music is or who any of the major players are/were. Anyway, such is the way of all things. Every rebellion in one generation is the norm in the next.

Posted on 09/12/2007 at 7:09:00 PM

 
Great title. As a middle-aged PTA mom, I've shopped at Hot Topic more than a few times (for my son, of course). Ironically, the first time was when he absolutely HAD to have temporary blue hair dye- not to be subversive, but to fit in. On our last trip there (because he suddenly went "prep") he bought a T-shirt with 2 cartoon characters on the front. Neither of us noticed that on the back those same characters were "mooning"! We got a good laugh out of that! (He was told to turn it inside out during homeroom, and leave it that way for the rest of the day. He never wore it again- what a waste of money.) Anyway, shouldn't be a surprise to you, but Hot Topic is a nothing but the stop after JC Penney and before getting a big pretzel. Thanks for the interesting insight that the article provided!

Posted on 09/08/2007 at 7:09:00 PM

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