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What Do the Peacemongers Propose We Do Now that Talks with Iran Have Failed?

By Chadd De Las Casas, published Nov 30, 2007
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The common mantra of, "Diplomacy first," has plagued our ability to deal with Iran's obsession with killing American soldiers and create nuclear weapons, because most people who advocate the idea of "talking" to Iran have no real idea what talking involves. Indeed, many of them think that a dialog between the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran is the greatest thing we could ever have, but they seem to forget what exactly this diplomatic effort is aimed at achieving.

When entering in diplomacy with Iran, the end result needs to be exhausting all non-military options to convince them to cease their nuclear program while maintaining the maximum number of our benefits. With the constant Democratic wail of "take the weapons option off the table," we fundamentally castrate ourselves, limping into an arena with one foot in a kick-boxing match. We exhort how much we want them to stop their nuclear program, they say no. We tell them we'll give them incentives and help them build a nuclear program. They say no. We ask them again very very very nicely, they say no. We impose sanctions. They say no.

At this point, rather than risk being bored to death by future attempts by our diplomats to impotently request that they stop their nuclear program, Iran has headed us off at the pass and warned us that it's not going to stop, period. We can throw as many sanctions as we want on Iran, nothing is going to stop the nuclear program.

So effectively, it can be declared that talks have failed. Not just marginally either, we've effectively made it clear that any thug that wants nuclear weapons can just bite their thumb at us, throw a few rockets into an ally's backyard, and promise to literally hinder any peace found in Annapolis can do so, what's America going to do about it? Some people may march in the streets, but who am I kidding, we only march in the streets when we're fighting to preserve thousands, maybe even millions of lives, or when we can exact a political edge, no one would march in the street to defend Israel or protest the brutal murders carried out by the Iranian powers that be every single day.

What Do the Peacemongers Propose We Do Now that Talks with Iran Have Failed?

President Ahmadinejad, who actually believes he signed a treaty with a 13th century cleric.

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Jeff, who the fuck cares.

Posted on 12/29/2007 at 8:12:33 PM

 
Yes, peace at any cost is a terrible, terrible thing Jeff. Someone who would make incredible concessions that a society should never endure for the sake of peace, is wrong.

Posted on 12/27/2007 at 11:12:51 AM

 
"Rallos" You sir, are a dumbass. Nowhere do I support Ahmneninijad. What is possibly most telling about the mindset of those who would support the drumbeats for war is in the title of this article, which calls those who seek peace "peacemongers" as if it is a bad thing to pursue.

Posted on 12/27/2007 at 10:12:59 AM

 
Great article! I fear that our complacent society will not see the warning signs of danger until it is too late. We miss the days when we didn't think that people around the world wanted us dead. And we think that if we just pull out of Iraq that all our troubles will be over and everything will go back to normal. Wishful thinking. They would love to destroy the "great Satan" regardless of whether or not we ever went into Iraq. And they'll be happy to nuke us and/or Israel when they have the capability. We can either close our eyes and pretend that's not what's really happening or we can do something about it.

Posted on 12/27/2007 at 8:12:09 AM

 
Excellent article. You bring up strong points why we need to commit to action instead of negotiations or impotent UN resolutions. No one says we have to declare a full-out war on Iran. Precision air strikes and "bunker busters" are all that's needed. Many people fail to realize just how non-negotiable the Iranian leader is. There are no negotiations that will work with him other than complete aquiescence -- which is something I'm sure canidates like Obama would have no problem doing.

Posted on 12/26/2007 at 12:12:16 PM

 
To answer a previous question April, since the rest are laced with a mixture between venom and poor attempts at sarcastic humor, no, I don't expect them to be "too afraid" to attack us - I expect them to be too bereft of nuclear material to do so.

Posted on 12/26/2007 at 7:12:46 AM

 
Waging war on every country that we think might 'someday' try to attack us is brillant! Surely America will bomb the hell out of these countries until everyone agrees with us again and no one hates us anymore. Infact, why don't we just nuke them... with that kind of blood shed and violence, they won't just agree with us... they'll love us. War IS the answer to peace. ...Ok, back to reality now. Sorry about that. For a second I thought I was an irrational, unintelligent, arrogent asshole.

Posted on 12/08/2007 at 12:12:00 AM

 
Yes Rallos, sometimes reality is quite amusing.

Posted on 12/08/2007 at 12:12:00 AM

 
Sorry I just had to look one more time at that miracle of stupidity, that was the most classically Orwellian post ever written on Associated Content, it deserves some kind of award.

Posted on 12/07/2007 at 8:12:00 PM

 
In the most whacked out, unbelievably ironic misunderstanding of motives, Musall seriously is defending Mahmoud Ahmendinijad, against those who he feels "are trying to usher in the end of the world". I have never laughed so hard at a computer screen

Posted on 12/07/2007 at 8:12:00 PM

 
I have been asked why I am opposed to radical christianity..it is because it is the fuel that fans the flames of war in an ever maddening America..If we allow the Chadd's and the Bush's of this country their will, it won't end until they have unleashed holocaust in the pursuit of their hoped-for Armageddon. And when their Christ doesn't appear, they will have to answer to the survivors.

Posted on 12/07/2007 at 8:12:00 PM

 
WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR WAR... i WISH YOU AND ALL THOSE LIKE YOU WOULD QUIT BEATING THE DRUM. Intelligence is the most treasured tool one can have and the most effective weapon.

Posted on 12/07/2007 at 9:12:00 AM

 
I don't find it to be a sane idea that we should bomb yet another country full of innocent people. Don't you think that will cause even more countrys to despise the US and hope for our demise? Or are you banking on everyone being too afraid to disagree with us? Iran says they are enriching uranium for energy purposes. How about we support an aternative energy source for them (and ourselves). Also, how about we dispose of our nuclear programs as well. After all, America is the only nation that has ever used a nuclear weapon.If I were Iran and the President of America was calling me 'evil', I think I'd pursue a way to make them think twice about bombing all my citizens as well. Even with the best of intentions, peace cannot be gained by waging war. It will only envoke more hate. And I hardly would say calling them evil at every opportunity, would be taken as an attempt for peaceful negotiations.

Posted on 12/06/2007 at 10:12:00 AM

 
Hi apparently you didn't read the reports very well - it said that once a major American military force entered the region, they halted their weapons manufacture program. Meanwhile, they're still enriching uranium. I've maintained all along - up to now, beyond now, and whatever point in time you want to point out - that Iran has no right to enriched uranium, centrifuges, et al unless with the express cooperation of the West. You seem to think these delivery systems are hard to make once you have the nuclear compounds - they're not, they really aren't. The NIE report that because the American military is in striking distance of Iran, they quickly covered up their weapons production plan, really means nothing to me, or anyone else in the rest of the sane world.

Posted on 12/05/2007 at 3:12:00 PM

 
I think much to your Chagrin, this ideology has been totally debunked. Better luck next time WAR MONGER!

Posted on 12/05/2007 at 3:12:00 PM

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